Tale of Two Coins - Reading Assignment

  1. a. Grin relies on funding by the people, whereas Beam takes a cut from the block rewards.

b. Grin is “governed” by the people, whereas Beam has a corporate structure.

c. By default I would say that at the time of the article, Grin’s audience would be limited to tech-savvy customers. Based on their “Grin-is-a-currency” model I would say their long term goal is every day people doing every day payments. Beam on the other hand markets itself as more of a “store of value” coin and thus they are looking at investors. Beam also has an easy-to-use wallet that is more guided towards the less tech-savvy majority of the people.

d. Grin releases a new token every second. Beam has a fixed issuance schedule similar to Bitcoin.

  1. The two implementations fail to hide the inputs and outputs. This could potentially lead to machine-learning analysis. Which could eventually lead to deanonymisation. For the moment both teams have opted to use Dandelion to better conceal potential leaks (IP addresses) and both plan to do system-wide updates as well as hard forks, especially in the beginning. Experimental efforts are expected.
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  1. community - VC
    2.Relying on community funding model that is similar to the one utilized by the Monero Project - Corporate Structure like Zcash
  2. tech crowd&paymnt solutions - non-tech users& store fo value
  3. indefinite every second emission - fixed issuance like BTC

vulnerable to machine-learning analysis – due to the design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs - dandelion

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  1. a) - Grin is funded through donation only.
    - Beam sought VC funding.

    b) - Grin is open-source and community-driven by design.
    - Beam is maintaining a corporate structure.

    c) - Grin is for more technical/advanced users and will be at your own risk.
    - Beam will be more user friendly for beginners.

    d) - Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed, a new token is issued every second.
    - Beam has a fixed issuance schedule akin to bitcoin.

  2. Both teams currently implement the privacy feature Dandelion to be less vulnerable to machine-learning analysis.

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  1. Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…

  2. Funding
    for grim are donation, beam is start up with funding

  3. Governance
    grin has a community model while beam is a start up with corporate structure

  4. Target Customer
    grin want to reach teach guys, beam more normal users

  5. Emission Schedules
    grin has a token made every second, beam with a fix time

  6. What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?
    vulnerability to machine learning

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  1. a. GRIN received funds from community donations (like Monero),
    BEAM used VC funding and block reward.

    b. GRIN is not driven by profit or corporate interests. They’re open-source and
    community-driven by design. This also provides more security to the project.
    The project has a firm commitment to not engage in any ICO, pre-mine, founder’s
    rewards, or similar activities
    BEAM is a professional effort to create a privacy coin, there is an alignment of
    incentives within the block rewards so that the project won’t die. Beam takes its
    example from privacy-centric cryptocurrency zcash, maintaining a corporate
    structure, and funneling a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support
    the blockchain’s development.

    c. Beam has a heavy emphasis on usability, having built a simple wallet interface that is
    considered central to the project’s overall value-add.
    Grin, however, currently only offers a command-line wallet, and is less accessible for
    non-technical users. It’s still very much aimed at a technical crowd, and will be very
    much ‘use at your own risk’, especially in the early days.

    d. While there are slight architectural differences, perhaps the most notable difference
    between the two cryptocurrencies are their economic models. In particular, Beam
    sees itself as a “store of value” coin that has a fixed issuance schedule akin to
    bitcoin. They wanted to create a confidential store of value coin, the emission to be
    limited.
    By contrast, Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed. Currently, a new token is issued
    every second. This is due to the project’s belief that sustained issuance will stabilize
    the value of the currency. They want Grin to be a currency, not a ‘store of value’.
    They want to encourage use, and don’t want to unfairly reward early adopters with
    an arbitrary deflationary halving schedule.

  2. For example, concerns that both implementations may potentially be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis – due to the design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs - are also under discussion. While both teams currently implement a privacy feature named Dandelion to better conceal these potential leaks, there may be other experimental efforts that can be concluded as well going forward. To support such changes, both cryptocurrencies will undergo regular system-wide software upgrades, or hard forks, in their early days.

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1.1 Grin is funded by donations, Beam is funded by venture capitalists

1.2 Grin relies on a community funding model like Monero, Beam has a corporate structure and funnels a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support development like Zcash

1.3 Grin is aimed at a technical crowd with only a command line wallet, Beam is user-friendly with a GUI wallet

1.4 Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed and issues a new token every second, Beam has a fixed issuance schedule like Bitcoin

  1. Both are concerned with vulnerablilty to machine learning analysis to exploit the design’s failue to conceal inputs and outputs. Both are looking at using Dandelion to fix this.
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1.) Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…
Funding:
GRIN only donations, BEAM VC funding
Governance: GRIN relying on a community funding model that is similar to the one utilized by Monero, BEAM takes it example from Zcash.
Target Customer: GRIN very much aimed at a technical crowd, BEAM more accessiable for non-technical users.
Emission Schedules: GRIN one coin per second, BEAM fixed supply.

2.) What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?
Concerns that both implementations may potentially be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis. Both teams currently implement Dandelion to better conceal these potential leaks.

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  1. Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…

  2. Funding: Beam use a portion of block reward, Grim fund by the donation.

  3. Governance: Beam company governance, Grim comunity governance

  4. Target Customer: Beam make a nice user expericence, Grim target technic user

  5. Emission Schedules: Beam aims to be store of value like bitcoin, but Grim aims to be currency

  6. What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?
    they will implement Dandelion to deal with the potential vulnerability of machine learning analysis

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1a Grin no direct funding, volunteer-based development.
Beam funded by Venture Capital, full time devs.

1b Grin a Monero like model with community funding and no ICO, no pre-mining, no founder’s rewards. (We’re in it for the tech)
Beam a Zcash like model with a corporate structure and funneling parts of the block rewards to the devs.

1c Grin an “edlin wallet” again main focus on technology, not users.
Beam a user friendly GUI wallet and a mobile wallet with usability as a prime target.

1d Grin Indefinitly one token per second.
Beam As Bitcoin, a store of value and a fixed schedule of emission.

2 Both Coin devs are concerned about the security due to AI, at the time of the article, both use Dandellion they aim to implement Mimblewimble.

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Mimblewimble is a way of storing tx on a blockchain and both coins are implementations of it. Dandelion is a protocol for propagating tx through the network that both projects intend to implement. TBH I’m not sure if they already did :slight_smile:

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  1. Grin relies on internal funding and donations, is community-driven, is aimed at tech people and has an unfixed monetary policy, with a new token issued every second. Beam on the other hand was structured using VC funding, is more business oriented, has a corporate structure, aims at mass adoption (even for non expert users) and has a fixed issuance schedule (similar to BTC).
  2. They both aim to join transactions together to make them indecipherable through the MimbleWimble protocol, offering a safer and more scalable solution.
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  1. a. Beam = VC funding + full-time devs
    Grin = Donations + part-time devs
    b. Beam = corporate structure, portion of block rewards go to the Foundation
    Grin = community funding model (similar to Monero)
    c. Beam = regular crowd seeking more privacy (GUI and mobile wallets)
    Grin = more technical crowd as it only offers command-line wallet
    d. Beam = fixed issuance schedule akin to bitcoin
    Grin = monetary policy is unfixed, new token is issued every second

  2. Both cryptocurrency projects have plans to implement new and experimental features. For example, Beam cited its plans to integrate with BOLT the privacy-centric lightning implementation. Both teams currently implement the privacy feature called Dandelion

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  1. Grin followed a highly principled, cypherpunk ideology - including no token premine, as well as volunteer-based development. Grin takes a different approach, relying on a community funding model that is similar to the one utilized by the monero project. Grin, however, currently only offers a command-line wallet, and is less accessible for non-technical users. Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed, a new token is issued every second.

Beam sought VC funding and hired a team of developers to work on the software full time, allowing it to speed ahead of Grin in its implementation. Beam takes its example from privacy-centric cryptocurrency zcash, maintaining a corporate structure, and funnelling a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support the blockchain’s development. Beam has a heavy emphasis on usability, having built a simple wallet interface that is considered central to the project’s overall value-add.
Beam sees itself as a “store of value” coin that has a fixed issuance schedule akin to bitcoin.

  1. concerns that both implementations may potentially be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis – due to the design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs. They implemented Dandelion to better conceal these leaks.
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Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…

Funding

“Grin is structured as a research project. They do not receive any outside funding except for donations, they do it part-time, they’re doing it very slowly.

Beam sought VC funding and hired a team of developers to work on the software full-time, allowing it to speed ahead of Grin in its implementation.

Governance

Beam takes its example from privacy-centric cryptocurrency zcash, maintaining a corporate structure, and funneling a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support the blockchain’s development.

“Beam is a professional effort to create a privacy coin, there is an alignment of incentives within the block rewards so that the project won’t die,”

Grin takes a different approach, relying on a community funding model that is similar to the one utilized by the monero project. And while it’s a less reliable income source, Grin sees this as an advantage that ultimately increases the security of the project.

“The project has a firm commitment to not engage in any ICO, pre-mine, founder’s rewards, or similar activities,” Yeastplume wrote in a statement, adding:

“We are not driven by profit or corporate interests. We’re open-source and community-driven by design.”

Target Customer

“Having a GUI wallet and mobile wallet will increase adoption, increase number of transactions and usage and will thus increase the anonymity set,” Corem told CoinDesk.

In addition to being designed from a user-friendly perspective, the wallet boasts implementations in different operating systems, including MacOS, Windows, and Linux. Beam will also release a light client alongside its mainnet release

Grin, however, currently only offers a command-line wallet, and is less accessible for non-technical users.

“We’ll have a fairly well-tested MimbleWimble chain and a relatively stable and tested command-line wallet out, with all sorts of features in varying states of development to assist the community in creating unique transaction exchange solutions and other crucial infrastructure,” Yeastplume told CoinDesk:

“It’s still very much aimed at a technical crowd, and will be very much ‘use at your own risk’, especially in the early days.

Emission Schedules

Beam sees itself as a “store of value” coin that has a fixed issuance schedule akin to bitcoin.

“We wanted to create a confidential store of value coin, the emission to be limited,”

By contrast, Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed. Currently, a new token is issued every second. This is due to the project’s belief that sustained issuance will stabilize the value of the currency.

“We want Grin to be a currency, not a ‘store of value’ (whatever that actually means in the ridiculously volatile crypto space),” Yeastplume said. “We want to encourage use, and we don’t want to unfairly reward early adopters with an arbitrary deflationary halving schedule.”

What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?

Concerns that both implementations may potentially be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis – due to the design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs – are also under discussion.
While both teams currently implement a privacy feature named Dandelion to better conceal these potential leaks, there may be other experimental efforts that can be concluded as well going forward.
To support such changes, both cryptocurrencies will undergo regular system-wide software upgrades, or hard forks, in their early days.
Corem said that he hopes to see Mimblewimble implemented as trustless, privacy-centric sidechain for other cryptocurrencies, adding:
“Mimblewimble is putting the pressure on other cryptocurrencies to adapt and find the right tradeoffs, creating a net positive to the ecosystem.”

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  1. Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…
    a. Funding
    Grin: based on donations from community; no ICO
    Beam: Venture Captial funding and from block reward

    b. Governance
    Grin: Community-driven, open-source
    Beam: Corporate structure

    c. Target Customer
    Grin: Technical users
    Beam: Mainstream adoption (e.g. provide a GUI and mobile wallet)

    d. Emission Schedules
    Grin: infinite supply ( one coin per second) -> fight volatile market
    Beam: fixed amount -> to be like Bitcoin a store of value

  2. What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?
    Both share a concern about a design’s failure in hiding the inputs an outputs. They implemented Dandelion to overcome part of problem.

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1A - Grin is more volunteer donation type funded and “part-time” software development/ Beam is more commercial in the sense they implement VC Funding as well as a dedicated software team working around the clock.

1B - Grin is more like Monero in the sense of audibility and anonymous / Beam is much more Zcash privacy-centric much more like Bitcoin

1C - GRIN aims to attract more tech-savvy users as / BEAM is more easily intuitive and much more easier interface to attract a wider audience of users.

1D - GRIN produces tokens @ every second / BEAM is more “store to value” much like bitcoin. GRIN wishes to be more of a new currency in a sense.

  1. Well they both use the MIMBLEWIMBLE to solve their privacy and scalability. In a transaction their goals are to hide both inputs and outputs of transactions
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1. Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…
a. Funding

GRIN does not receive any external funding but rather donations, whereas BEAM is funded by Venture Capital.

b. Governance

Beam takes its example from privacy-centric cryptocurrency z-cash, maintaining a corporate structure, and funneling a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support the blockchain’s development.

GRIN relies on the community to fund its efforts, similar to the kind of model followed by the Monero project.

c. Target Customer

BEAM targets towards an audience who want a user-friendly solution by providing a GUI based wallet. They want to target all types of users from technical to non-technical.

On the other hand, GRIN offers a command-line wallet that is less accessible and caters to those who are technical.

d. Emission Schedules

BEAM sees itself as a confidential store of value cryptocurrency with a limited emission. Whereas GRIN, has an unfixed monetary policy for emission as they create a new coin every second. They do this as they believe sustained issuance will stabilise the value of their currency.

2. What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?

They have concerns that their solutions may be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis considering their design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs. At the time of the article’s writing, both projects are implementing a privacy feature named Dandelion as a solution.

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1.Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…

  1. Funding
    Grin followed a highly principled, cypherpunk ideology – including no token premine or ICO, as well as volunteer-based development. They do not receive any outside funding except for donations.
    Beam used VC funding and hired a team of developers to work on the software full-time, allowing it to speed ahead of Grin in its implementation.
  2. Governance
    Beam takes its example from privacy-centric cryptocurrency Zcash, maintaining a corporate structure, and funneling a portion of the block reward into a Foundation to support the blockchain’s development.
    Grin takes a different approach, relying on a community funding model that is similar to the one utilized by the monero project as it maintains an emphasis on community-driven decentralization.
  3. Target Customer
    Grin is aimed at a technical crowd with not so user-friendly wallet solutions while Beam is focused on mass adoption by heavy emphasis on usability, therefore they have built a simple wallet interface that is considered central to the project’s overall value-add.
  4. Emission Schedules
    Grin’s monetary policy is unfixed, and new token is issued every second. This is due to the project’s belief that sustained issuance will stabilize the value of the currency.
    Beam sees itself as a “store of value” coin that has a fixed issuance schedule akin to bitcoin.

2.What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this?

Both implementations may potentially be vulnerable to machine-learning analysis – due to the design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs. While both teams currently implement a privacy feature named Dandelion to better conceal these potential leaks, there may be other experimental efforts that can be concluded with regular system-wide software upgrades, or hard forks.

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GRIN’s
A.) Funding: Based on volunteer, donations.
B.) Governance: It is community driven.
C.) Target Customer: Technical and Command line wallet.
D.) Emission schedules: Inflationary at stable rate (1/sec).

BEAM’s
A.) Funding: Based on private form VC.
B.) Governance: It’s Corporate.
C.) Target Customer: Average consumer with pretty UIS, mobile wallet.
D.) Emission schedules: Store of value.

  1. Both are potentially vulnerable to machine learning analysis due to design’s failure to conceal inputs and outputs.
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Questions:

  1. Describe the difference between GRIN’s and BEAM’s…

  2. Funding GRIN funding is from the Community and BEAM is all business with retined funding to support the blockchain

  3. Governance – GRIN is Open Source and Community Governance driven where BEAM has MAC OS and Linux

  4. Target Customer GRIN is tech savvy audience I will call “pony tales” and the BEAM is all about the business, called the Crew cuts

  5. Emission Schedules – GRIN will inflate for stability, like Keynesians and the BEAMs subscribe to Austrian Economic with fixed supply and store of value

  6. What is the key privacy concern of both, and what feature do they implement to deal with this? Machine learning may beat them yet Dandelion to mitigate the chances

Forks may continue and major update releases will continue expected as inputs and outputs are not hidden

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